Wednesday, October 10, 2007

United States Wars 10/10/07

'The greatest good we can do our country is to heal its party divisions and make them one people.'
-- Thomas Jefferson (letter to John Dickinson, 1801)




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John Glenn said this that should make you think a little: There were 39 combat related killings in Iraq in January.In the fair city of Detroit there were 35 murders in the month of January. That's just one American city,about as deadly as the entire war-torn country of Iraq When some claim that President Bush shouldn'thave started this war, state the following: a. FDR led us into World War II.b. Germany never attacked us ; Japan did.From 1941-1945, 450,000 lives were lost ...an average of 112,500 per year. c. Truman finished that war and started one in North Korea who never attacked us .From 1950-1953, 55,000 lives were lost ...an average of 18,334 per year. d John F. Kennedy started the Vietnam conflict in 1962. Vietnam never attacked us. e. Johnson and many in Congress turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost ..an average of 5,800 per year. f. Clinton went to war in Bosnia without UN or French consent. Bosnia never attacked us. He was offered Osama bin Laden's head on a platter threetimes by Sudan and did nothing. Osama has attacked us onmultiple occasions. g. In the years since terrorists attacked us , President Bush has liberated two countries, crushed the Taliban, crippled al-Qaida, put nuclear inspectors in Libya , Iran , and, North Korea without firing a shot, and captured a terrorist who slaughtered 300,000 of his own people. Many Democrats are complaining about how long the war is taking. But wait It took less time to take Iraq than it took Janet Reno to take the Branch Davidian compound. That was a 51-day operation.. We've been looking for evidence for chemical weaponsin Iraq for less time than it took Hillary Clinton to find the Rose Law Firm billing records. It took less time for the 3rd Infantry Division and the Marines to destroy the Medina Republican Guard than it took Ted Kennedy to call the police after his Oldsmobile sank at Chappaquiddick. It took less time to take Iraq than it took to count the votes in Florida!!!

Our Commander-In-Chief is doing a GREAT JOB !The Military morale is high!The biased media hopes we are too ignorant to realize the facts. But Wait There's more!JOHN GLENN (on the Senate floor - January 26, 2004)Some people still don't understand why military personnel do what they do for a living. This exchange between Senators John Glenn and Senator Howard Metzenbaum < BR> is worth reading. Not only is it a pretty impressive impromptu speech, but it's also a good example of one man's explanation of why men and women in the armed services do what they do for a living. This IS a typical, though sad, example of what some who have never served think of the military. Senator Metzenbaum (speaking to Senator Glenn):"How can you run for Senate when you've never held a real job?" Senator Glenn (D-Ohio): "I served 23 years in the United States Marine Corps. I served through two wars. I flew 149 missions.My plane was hit by anti-aircraft fire on 12 different occasions. I was in the space program. It wasn't my checkbook, Howard; it was my life on the line. It was not a nine-to-five job, where I took time off to take the daily cash receipts to the bank.''I ask you to go with me .. . as I went the other day...to a veteran's hospital and look those men ..with their mangled bodies . in the eye, and tell THEM they didn't hold a job! You go with me to the Space Program at NASA and go, as I have gone, to the widows and Orphans of Ed White, Gus Grissom and Roger Chaffee...and you look those kids in the eye and tell them that their DADS didn't hold a job. You go with me on Memorial Day and you stand in Arlington National Cemetery , where I have more friends buried than I'd like to remember, and you watch those waving flags. You stand there, and you think about this nation,
and you tell ME that those people didn't have a job? < BR>
What about you?'

For those who don't remember
During W.W.II, Howard Metzenbaum was an attorney
representing the Communist Party in the USA .

Now he's a Senator!

If you can read this, thank a teacher.
If you are reading it in English thank a Veteran.

It might not be a bad idea to keep this circulating. I AM!!!

So am I.

Merle Widmer




May God bless America


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7 comments:

AdamB said...

I love the argument-- Everything is peachy in Iraq because it's not as bad as all these other screwups.

Example:
Johnson and many in Congress turned Vietnam into a quagmire. From 1965-1975, 58,000 lives were lost

Well, geez, I guess Iraq's not that bad after all! What a joke.

These people are idiots and they don't make you look so good either. Passing it on implies you've actually read this junk and agree with it.

For example, the Metzenbaum urban legend is mostly a hoax: http://urbanlegends.about.com/library/bl_glenn_metzenbaum.htm

Many of the other claims put forward are similarly bogus--some obviously so. Cmon, people expect better from the famous Widmer research skillz.

Anonymous said...

(Adam Bee, is the son of Lori Bee. Lori married my relative, Don Paton but Adam elected to keep the name Bee instead of Paton. Adam is heavily influenced by another relative of mine who is a hard left winger and who would qualify as being a populist and socialist.)

Did you study basic arthmetic? 58,000 is 50 plus times greater than the 3200 lives lost in Iraq. Did you factor in the hundreds of thousands of Vietnam's lives lost after our cowardly retreat? How abpout those who were dangling from helicopters trying to escape sure death. Or do vietnamese lives not count?

Adamb, try not to be more of an "educated" idiot than you've already proven to be. You are calling the United States of America's entry into WWII a screwup? You would have felt at home living under a fascist government? What world do you live in? Who is saying everything in Iraq is "peachy"? Why don't you just come forward and say you hate capitalists whose profits support all colleges and the capitalists who funded you through scholarships that allowed you to go to Notre Dame College. I can visualize you marching in protest "Stop the War" parades.

You still write like a juvenile. I suggest you grow up but being in "liberal academics" you may never join the real world.

You should consider enlisting as my Grandson Bill Greytak, Jr. did and who is now on his way to serve his country in Iraq; arrived in Kuwait today I just learned. Then you can bring back some first hand experiences and write a book telling how we screwed up in Iraq and of course leave out all that has been accomplished in Iraq.

If you read my blogs as carefully as you say you do, you will have read that I said we "screwed up" in Iraq and heads should have rolled in the adminstration sooner than they did.

The article on my blog is clearly now written by me but I agree with most of it. That's why I commented and passed it on. You being an academic, might argue that Kennedy, the coward was driving a Volkswagen; not an Oldsmobile, Teddy being part of the "ordinary" people. What are the other statements in this article that are not correct?

At this stage of my life I suspect I have read 20 times more history than you at a tender still learning age have ever read.

I also taught U.S. and World History in schools for a number of years.

Anonymous said...

The comment just published under "anonymous" if because i could not get my computer to send it out over my own name. The comment is from blogger Merle Widmer. I'll try again. If it comes out again under anonymous is is this computer error.

I'm getting a new laptop and a new provider soon our services are a headache

lisak said...

Snopes, Snopes, Snopes!

The entire, lengthy, first paragraph of your post was NOT composed or spoken by John Glenn. I would think someone who's been blogging as long as you have would have better sense than to repost something from an email without doing a little research.

How does blithely reposting inflammatory and inaccurately attributed (and downright inaccurate) tirades contribute to healing party divisions, as you seem to endorse with your quote from Jefferson at the top?

I can't let pass the repeated references to "lives lost" without making the point that they're referring only to US lives lost, as if any other lives lost in these wars are of no importance. Millions of Vietnamese died as a result of that war. And over 1 million Iraqis have died as a result of our involvement there.

AdamB said...

Get your facts straight. Lori Paton has never married Don Paton. I don't believe I know any of your relatives who are "left wingers". I have never attended Notre Dame College. I have no problem with capitalism, and in fact I've dedicated my life to capitalism.

As far as my writing goes, at least I proofread.

Merle Widmer said...

Sorry,

Your mother's second marriage was to Bob Paton, son of Don Paton. Your profile mentioned Notre Dame. Perhaps you do not have a college degree as you claim.

Your definition of being a capitalist differs from mine.

anon e. mouse said...

You began your post with a quote from Thomas Jefferson:
'The greatest good we can do our country is to heal its party divisions and make them one people.'
-- Thomas Jefferson (letter to John Dickinson, 1801)

Indeed, think about why the country seemed torn asunder during that time period...because TJ had just finished waging an incredibly dirty and partisan campaign against his former best friend John Adams. Jefferson was no better than the politicians we have today.